You have to love the kind of people who would decry animal testing and yet suggest we use criminals for the same things we currently use animals for. Especially interesting because I’m sure Hitler would have hated to use dogs–being the alleged dog lover he was–but he clearly had NO problem testing on humans. In fact, we have an assortment of advances in medical science that came directly out of Nazi experiments that should turn our stomachs.
I can think of several reasons that doesn’t work. The kinds of cultures that do that sort of thing aren’t ones we’d emulate. Not if we didn’t want to go down in history worse than we already are. The notion that anyone thinks this is in any way justifiable is absurd.
I’m not a fan of animal testing, but I’m even less a fan of Nazi style testing on humans, regardless of their alleged crimes. In Russia you can be arrested and charged with a felony for even SUGGESTING gay people should have rights. But, fuck, some people would be happy if they tested dangerous drugs on them… downright THRILLED. So basically it’s okay as long as it isn’t YOUR ox being gored. They’re “dangerous felons.” To someone, at least. Not to mention that we already know how our own justice system can be turned on its ear easily enough.
It’s true that at least animals aren’t guilty of using us for their tests… except maybe taste tests. Several different species probably sharpened their teeth on our ancestors… the fact that there were so many nasty predators around when we first ventured out of the trees is one of the reasons we’re so damn violent and warlike. We’re pretty damned soft and squishy for anything out there with claws and fangs that might have wanted a relatively easy kill. It was kill or be killed. Eat or be eaten. The law of the jungle. I think it’s hilarious that people who are quick to recognize we’re animals don’t also recognize that the same rules apply to us as every other creature on the planet. We eat what we got or we don’t eat. There are damn few people who will choose not to eat.
In just about every ecosystem on Earth, the animals can eat things we can’t… But we sure as hell can eat them. Not a lot of stuff for people to eat on the steppes of Russia, for example, but animals are plentiful… particularly once we started herding. Humans have survived in some of the most wicked terrain on the planet. Veganism is, for the most part, a modern affectation that only works because we have the technology to make up for what the diet would lack otherwise. Many foodstuffs are only available because technology and modern transportation made them so. As recently as a hundred and fifty years ago there were a host of “diseases” that stemmed directly from not having a balanced diet.
Fine if you want to eat that way. But don’t pretend it’s how we’re “supposed to eat.” That’s hogwash. We were designed (or designed ourselves through environment and evolution) to eat whatever we put in our mouth that didn’t kill us or make us wish we were dead. There were only a few cultures in a few places on Earth that might have been able to maintain a strictly vegan diet before the advent of technology that changed the rules. And these usually supplemented their diets with fish when they could. Or grubs.
“There is no political solution for a troubled evolution.” Barely more 60 years ago we had a civilization that had no problem with the idea of testing on humans. Hell, I’ll bet N. Korea and China do it to this day. But that’s not us, and thank gawd for that.
Oddly enough, despite our LONG history of being total dicks to animals, there are several recent stories of even wild animals coming to humans for help (usually in fixing something we fucked up in the first place). A wild crow allowing humans to pull porcupine quills out of its face, for example, or the fox that walked up to some humans because it got its head stuck in a piece of human trash. Or the humpback whale that got assistance from some divers to clean her off a bunch of fishing line and nets she’d been caught in. It took hours to free her and she seemed to be thanking each and every participant in turn before swimming away.
Meanwhile, we’re back to killing the apex predators in Montana and Wyoming, even though we now understand the important role apex predators have in keeping a stable ecosystem. One of the reasons coyotes are so numerous is that wolves were probably much better at keeping their population down than humans are, simply because they share prey and the wolf would win most contests. A coyote’s breeding cycle is directly tied to the resources it has available. The more resources, the more pups a female has. But trust rednecks to go off half-cocked and fully loaded.
I read something earlier in which someone stated that going vegan means there are fewer animals killed. Which may be the dumbest fucking thing I’ve heard on the subject. The animals are killed regardless. If anything, it’s just increasing the number of animals who are killed to no good purpose.
I grew up on a small ranch. I know exactly where my food comes from. I know that eggs and chicken meat comes from one of the dumbest fucking creatures I’ve ever had the misfortune to tend. I know that bacon and pork comes from one of the smartest animals I’ve ever encountered. And I know that fuzzy bunnies taste really good.
And just about any animal capable of eating meat will eat long pig if it suddenly becomes available, domestic dogs being a very rare exception in many cases. Scavengers don’t see any difference in a dead human or a dead anything else.